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this is ross coulthard and you are

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listening to that ufo podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and joining me

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for his third appearance or now joint

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record holder on the podcast you can see

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him on video folks uh as author and

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remote viewer you might remember him

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from our previous interviews discussing

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resonance or remote viewing i have

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simeon heinz sim welcome back to the

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podcast thanks a lot andy great to see

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you for the first time in one of our

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conversations here yes it's uh and dan

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is going to really appreciate this one

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because if you're watching on youtube

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it's already set up for youtube as well

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so less for him to do in terms of

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editing and stuff so um hope everyone

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enjoys this and i'm looking forward to

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it because uh sim you've got a new book

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out dark matter monsters

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ball lightning and the signs of secret

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live forms you are very well prepared

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there you go with a picture of it too

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really interesting book and i was saying

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to you before we recall that

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i love the way it's written because an

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idiot like me can understand some really

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difficult topics that you're you're

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presenting and they're presented really

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clearly and really well in a way that i

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go ah okay i can see how that's

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connected to this but i've got a lot of

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questions for you and the audience did

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too so i want to get right into things

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so at the beginning of the book and the

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preface you mentioned as a child your

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mother read you the book where the wild

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things are by morris sendak um and that

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you knew this was a story and it wasn't

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real but in the real world there are

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monsters out there as we know them in

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do you believe that over millennia and

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over centuries many of those tales that

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we now think of are noah's fantasy are

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storytelling and changes in society

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we've kind of lost that connection to to

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what they once were

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andy that's a great question again

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thanks again for having me here today um

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i have been thinking about that question

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as i wrote the book obviously

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societies who are around our age group

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those childhood stories were just

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fictional or anecdotal

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maybe even metaphorical you know they're

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not really real and i've always walked

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around in the woods in the forest i've

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especially now that i live in the west

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most of the time by myself i've

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backpacked out there many of the

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national parks i've been there with

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groups and i've been there by myself

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i mean that's pretty noticeable

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so what i've that's exactly what the

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conclusion i've come to andy is i think

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what i think has gone on and i i feel

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was unprepared for this even being

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wasn't prepared for the truth of what is

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really out there what we did as a

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society over centuries is we relegated

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and then even kind of glossed them over

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just like you're saying we'll read these

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dangerous it's far from the case but the

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genre as a whole the the whole topic of

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cryptids where we do have a whole

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variety of encounters

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so that we don't talk about it

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the ground as we're all aware their

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trace case isn't it's a whole big

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of cryptids into maybe an escaped

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experiences and because we can't process

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it it doesn't fit into any category

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folks we didn't just ignore that it

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going anyway but that was really

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don't understand but there are things

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one location to my phone and give me the

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internet but i understand on a base

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level how that works so there's no

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there's no scariness there whereas if

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basic form of radio and they picked up

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radio waves that were bouncing around

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the sky they might not know what they're

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reaction and i wonder as it's similar

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very well so what we do and this is

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something that sociologist dr ron

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university he's pointed out many times

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ernst friedrich florence colladny how

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what ron western pointed out is unless

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overwhelming and they stopped throwing

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something up they're just at the right

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place

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and

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they're open to this for some reason

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it's often little children while hiking

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with families that see them first

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uh

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you could walk by one of these creatures

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and not see it because it's not in your

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mental vocabulary we're all familiar

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with that concept of inattentional

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blindness

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i've seen this demonstrated many times

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at the types of conferences and seminars

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that you and i would go to

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ufo conferences and so forth that the

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way our brain works is we filter so much

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out there's that famous film that i

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think came out of that research at mit

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where

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you see basketball players in black or

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white t-shirts yeah and a gorilla comes

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across and you don't i didn't see it

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they've i was in a conference

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i believe it was the new mexico

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albuquerque area and they said okay just

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watch this count how many times the

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balls are passed between

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the black t-shirts and the white

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t-shirts and you do not see the guy in

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the gorilla suit i didn't see it myself

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the first time and they say watch again

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i think only a couple of people raised

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their hand having seen it maybe 80

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percent of the audience doesn't see the

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grill so how likely are we to see

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something that we don't expect to be

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there

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uh if you talk to witnesses to these

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phenomena they'll often say well

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they thought those sounds were just

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ordinary animals and the howling was a

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little weird but maybe it was an owl or

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a coyote you see you fit it into what

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you know

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and then maybe it was a bear except when

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you go back and look at the prints

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they're human-like prints that are way

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too large so a lot of it has to do with

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what our sensory apparatus has been

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you know used to perceiving over the

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course of our lives and you're certainly

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not going to bring in childhood

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children stories into that this is a

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very challenging topic for everyone it's

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you know andy this is a lot closer to us

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the topic of cryptids than even ufos and

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extraterrestrials for many people

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simply because you do not expect these

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to come up to your house if you live in

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a rural area

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uh

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in north america and you have them in

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europe and i think you have them in the

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uk too though there may not be as common

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you don't expect these to kind of come

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up to you

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in a space

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where you feel like you're sort of the

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apex predator as we've been taught you

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know we we've all been taught that we're

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the most developed life form we're the

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most developed intelligence by our

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culture and by our religions that we're

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part of

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so

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just in the title of the book you know

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cryptids ball lightning sciences life

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forms we know there's bigfoot ufos and

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other phenomena discussed

361
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where do you even start piecing together

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how the different phenomena are

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connected when you're looking to put

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together the book

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what i'm looking to do in in dark matter

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monsters is

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there are underlying phenomena that

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people encounter whether it's a bigfoot

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encounter it's a ufo encounter it's a

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crop circle encounter and even to some

371
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extent rv because we know that hal put

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off and russell targ

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told us that when yuri geller was at

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stanford research institute

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he was their first test subject before

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pat price or ingoswan

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as many people are aware that he was in

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the u.s for six weeks

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they encountered cryptids

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around their homes this idea of a

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if that's the right way to think about

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it i mean people picked up something

383
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from being around yuri geller now you

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have to think about this for a second

385
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they saw giant crows at the end of their

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beds inside their homes with windows

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closed

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they saw different types of little ufos

389
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and creatures and things like this this

390
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sort of effect we've heard associated

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with skinwalker ranch goes

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back farther than skin walker ranch it

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goes back to sri as the oldest date i

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know about it associating something like

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you would think not associated

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remote viewing resonant viewing

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associated with seeing cryptids

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strange creatures

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things that don't fit in any categories

400
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we're used to

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and that's just like an exposure to

402
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something else that other and it opens

403
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up the door

404
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right that's how i think about it

405
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and so this is why these topics are all

406
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connected and we had this twitter

407
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question uh you probably saw it in the

408
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feed someone said why are why in the

409
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world would you connect bigfoot to ufos

410
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it's because people see them together

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they see them around the same time

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period the same locations

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even getting off of ufos

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sometimes in these waves as i mentioned

415
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in my response to the tweet and stan

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gordon's book silent invasion and his

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research into southwestern pennsylvania

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wave of ufo and bigfoot sightings it all

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happened at the same time so what this

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suggests to me is that there's some sort

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of fundamental underlying principles

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here at work that no matter which of

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these topics you're interested in it's

424
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going to lead you back to the same

425
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sort of phenomena now

426
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in the past i've looked at parallel

427
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realities multiverses and that is one

428
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larger theoretical explanation from

429
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what's going on here is that once you

430
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start opening the door to any of these

431
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,320
phenomena you're opening up several

432
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,839
doors at the same time you're going into

433
00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:17,360
other rooms that you haven't experienced

434
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,519
before where there's other phenomena

435
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,519
that your culture didn't prepare you to

436
00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:23,040
believe was real

437
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but concretely to answer your question

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00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,160
of how i dealt with it in in dark matter

439
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monsters the book

440
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i'm looking at the

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phenomena that are associated with

442
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coherent matter

443
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and those are all the same phenomena

444
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whether it's ball lightning sudden

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temperature changes

446
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anti-gravity effects those are all

447
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features of coherent matter

448
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the literature is pretty well

449
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established in this

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but

451
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,120
for a variety of reasons since the

452
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advent of what we call cold fusion and

453
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:59,759
it goes back before fleischmann ponds at

454
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the university of utah

455
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:04,880
uh back to the 50s to a researcher named

456
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,520
winston h bostick

457
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:10,079
all the way back to tesla and then it

458
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:12,799
goes back as we've learned from

459
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,439
george eagley from hungary dr george

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00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:17,679
eagley who also returned it it preceded

461
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:19,839
tesla by a number of decades so world

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war one

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00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:24,000
seemed to have really stopped a lot of

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the research some and some of the

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researchers were killed and so forth

466
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this goes back to pre-world war we're

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looking at alternative forms of matter

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00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:33,760
that are associated with ball lightning

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and the whole phenomena that uh the

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characteristics of ball lightning but

471
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for whatever reason it is whether it's a

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conspiracy which i'm not really you know

473
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,679
a firm believer in not necessarily

474
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conspiracy we as a western society have

475
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pushed away all of this research that we

476
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associate with nikola tesla

477
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we've pushed it away and we pushed it

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away when fleischmann and pons came up

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with their result in 1989 at the

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university of utah and had a press

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conference because that's what their

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university they didn't want the press

483
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conference the university did they want

484
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patent rights you have to show prior

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knowledge

486
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,720
okay so then they get this huge blowback

487
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against cold fusion and it even goes up

488
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in our country to the level of the

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federal government where

490
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george bush at the time senior has a

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presidential commission on cold fusion

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and they hire mit to look into it and

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these guys say no we can't reproduce it

494
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and a lot of people couldn't because

495
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they didn't set up the experiments the

496
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right way it's a pretty finicky it's a

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particular reaction it can be

498
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kind of finicky for a variety of reasons

499
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,160
we pushed this away but all of these

500
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phenomena andy i'm convinced at least

501
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that's my point of view here

502
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i'm willing to look at alternative

503
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arguments what we call paranormal

504
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almost everything that we call

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paranormal is

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a relative of coherent matter period a

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type of condensed matter where you get

508
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alternative types of interactions that

509
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you normally don't see with just

510
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normally gases liquids inside excuse me

511
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solids or even plasmas

512
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something beyond it i'm going to come to

513
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,080
bowl lightning and i'm glad you talked

514
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:04,160
about coherent matter phenomena because

515
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:05,360
that's something i'm going to ask you to

516
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,039
dive into soon

517
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,360
i want to know though bigfoot for many

518
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,440
people is likely one of two things a

519
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,840
species of eight like creature that we

520
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:14,960
haven't really encountered or

521
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:17,440
categorized here on the planet or

522
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,799
some people like you say i've seen them

523
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,640
coming off of ufos they are from

524
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different dimensions realities they slip

525
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:24,080
in and out and they're here sometimes

526
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and then they're not the next

527
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and the book i think argues that both of

528
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those could be correct and they don't

529
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,559
have to be mutually exclusive do they

530
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,320
exactly right andy these are not

531
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:36,080
mutually exclusive categories you know

532
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,679
the way we're also the way we think it's

533
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:39,440
got to be this or it's got to be that

534
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:40,480
right

535
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,760
uh it could be entirely a terrestrial

536
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species a type of

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either

538
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a relic ape or a type of relic human you

539
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,320
know a hominoid

540
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
but it's been here so long that it's

541
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:58,799
evolved to work with these natural

542
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,039
principles of energy that we're just

543
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,880
rediscovering and called cold fusion

544
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,039
these cold fusion principles are just

545
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,120
already built into nature

546
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,360
and we know that from you know the work

547
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,000
of dr takayaki matsumoto this is a book

548
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,840
just came out this week too it's a time

549
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:15,360
temperature on my book

550
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,960
about the steps to discovery of

551
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,720
electro-nuclear collapse now i won't go

552
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,720
into all the arguments there but if you

553
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,000
read his book

554
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,080
he says that what we see in cold fusion

555
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,080
is already what we see going out in in

556
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,559
stars in black holes neutron stars it's

557
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,480
just a small-scale version of what we

558
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,480
already see going far away

559
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,440
in the galaxy and so if that's true

560
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,200
these are fundamental principles that

561
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,520
are built into nature and it's not

562
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,280
surprising really if you think about it

563
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,840
that there be life forms on earth

564
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,080
that learn to incorporate these into

565
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,039
their biology and chemistry so that they

566
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,280
have what seemed to us like paranormal

567
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,840
abilities and so

568
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,760
the answer to the question of whether

569
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,360
it's an ape or a human or an

570
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,200
extraterrestrial it's something it's

571
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,039
some sort of combination of all of that

572
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,640
and i'm not doing that as a way of

573
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,159
escaping the question

574
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,440
it's just that

575
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,840
what people report and this is i got

576
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,600
this this is so surprising when i

577
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,960
started going to some of these bigfoot

578
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,159
conferences and some of them weren't

579
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,919
very far away from boulder colorado

580
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,440
because this is an area in the rocky

581
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,039
mountains where people have bigfoot

582
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,559
experiences

583
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,520
and when i went to my first conference

584
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,080
in bailey colorado nearly every speaker

585
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,080
that got up said exactly what you just

586
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,799
said first i thought it was some sort of

587
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,640
relic primate and then i thought it was

588
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,320
an undiscovered human

589
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,919
and then i finally realized it's some

590
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:36,159
sort of paranormal human

591
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,960
uh

592
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,480
so

593
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,880
these researchers were the ones that i

594
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,799
was listening to them and i corresponded

595
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,840
with them later who told me about their

596
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,240
paranormal experiences around bigfoot

597
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,559
you know things like levitation time

598
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,000
space

599
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,679
dilation

600
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,840
brain fog all sorts of weird effects

601
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,240
that you sort of associate with ufo

602
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,480
contact or extraterrestrial contact it's

603
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,840
the same thing that's happening around

604
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,760
bigfoot you know your cameras and

605
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,919
batteries stop working

606
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:06,799
uh

607
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,840
may have a couple hours of time loss all

608
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,440
these weird things

609
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,200
i mean this was the most surprising

610
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,400
thing to me andy

611
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:18,400
is that all of these phenomena that i

612
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,159
had associated with ufo encounters

613
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:24,240
and experiences that people have in crop

614
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,679
circles which have a ufo link

615
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,200
you know they sort of made sense there

616
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,760
but bigfoot i mean why would you expect

617
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,000
bigfoot to have the same sort of effects

618
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,159
on people as a ufo

619
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,039
uh nearby and the reason would be is

620
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,720
that it's dealing with the same sort of

621
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:42,640
fundamental scientific principles

622
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,000
underneath which is some sort of

623
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,440
gravitational changes gravitational

624
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,799
collapse

625
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,080
uh at a

626
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,840
nucleonic level

627
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,240
uh some sort of changes in space-time

628
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,000
even similar to what hal podof has

629
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,520
talked about in the conferences i've

630
00:23:00,950 --> 00:23:00,240
heard him uh present you know he calls

631
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:00,960
it

632
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,400
space-time engineering and the people in

633
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,640
the cold fusion area and that's his

634
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,320
that's how put ups and other physicists

635
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,480
who work with him that's his explanation

636
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,480
for how some of these

637
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,880
ufos create propulsion is their

638
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,960
space-time metric engineering is the

639
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,360
name for it actually changing the space

640
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,760
time field well the people in the cold

641
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,320
fusion area going back to soviet

642
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,640
research that we've

643
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,320
been able to locate even in the past

644
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,520
couple months

645
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,440
call it vacuum engineering

646
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,520
vacuum engineering i think space-time

647
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,320
metric engineering and quantum vacuum

648
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,360
engineering are the same thing and that

649
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,720
would mean that we're dealing with the

650
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,640
same principles and that's how i link

651
00:23:46,269 --> 00:23:45,039
these phenomena together and even at a

652
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,279
phenomenal

653
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,799
phenomenological level

654
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,279
the symptoms are the same again sudden

655
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,360
temperature changes

656
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,039
changes kind of feeling that things are

657
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,520
weird all of a sudden uh memory loss

658
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,360
it's the same sort of symptoms and i

659
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,720
think it's because it's the same sort of

660
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,840
principle

661
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,919
it also sounds very similar to some of

662
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,279
the things we hear happening as you

663
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,200
mentioned in the book skin walker ranch

664
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,440
yeah where you hear about dire wolves

665
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,080
and strange huge humanoid type creatures

666
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:15,039
coming through portals and and such

667
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,159
and

668
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,600
we've now got some very serious

669
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,360
scientists and studies again like you

670
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,440
mentioned in the book uh george knapp

671
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,279
kelleher james akatsky's book skin

672
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,360
walkers at the pentagon talked about the

673
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,120
the awesome studies and what happened at

674
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:28,880
the ranch as well

675
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,840
how connected do you really think all of

676
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,360
these things are

677
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,919
are are they loosely connected

678
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,240
or do you think they're far more

679
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,080
part of one greater hole than we would

680
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,000
imagine

681
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,400
right that is the question i would say

682
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,840
they're connected

683
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,200
not loosely

684
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,279
not overly tightly kind of somewhere in

685
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,919
between a medium level of connection

686
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,840
they're all tapping into some of these

687
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,480
same fundamental fundamental aspects of

688
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,320
quantum vacuum

689
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,120
changes where the fundamental constants

690
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:03,360
that we're used to staying very constant

691
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,320
like

692
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,559
electrical capacitance

693
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,200
magnetic permeability things that are

694
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,559
kind of some of one of some of the

695
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,320
fundamental constants in physics there

696
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,880
are about 20 of those constants the fine

697
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,400
constant you might have heard of there

698
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,159
are all these things that in our

699
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,520
day-to-day life

700
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,520
our section of the cosmos those

701
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,240
constants are the same

702
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,960
but if you create variation in

703
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,200
electrical capacitance and magnetic

704
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,360
what's called permittivity magnetic

705
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,559
permeability you get immediately changes

706
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,080
in the speed of light because the speed

707
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,159
of light is based on permittivity and

708
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,679
permeability

709
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,840
so

710
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,159
our experience is modern people it's

711
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,000
probably the same for me in the us as it

712
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,480
is for the u and the k same fundamental

713
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,960
20 constants in physics right and this

714
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,720
is something that max tegmark pointed

715
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,480
out in his book the mathematical

716
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,640
universe our mathematical universe

717
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,679
about why he believed the multiverse

718
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,919
interpretation of quantum mechanics was

719
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:02,720
the

720
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,159
most likely

721
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,159
is because if you change any of those

722
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,919
constants you could easily create

723
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,159
alternative realities in the same space

724
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,240
time that we're in right here

725
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,720
we might not even interact with the life

726
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,919
that's in

727
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,400
those realities with just slight changes

728
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,480
to any of those constants it's in his

729
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,600
book

730
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,600
so when you look at the phenomena that

731
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,159
happened out skinwalker ranch and other

732
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,559
areas skinwalker isn't the only one in

733
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,000
the uh

734
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:35,039
in their first book uh the hunt for the

735
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,480
skinwalker

736
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,520
keller and knapp mention four or five

737
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,080
other locations with similar

738
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,159
sorts of phenomena going around one of

739
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,799
them was right here in colorado i don't

740
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,039
know the exact location but they gave it

741
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,120
as being in elbert county

742
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,520
and then we had where the e-city ranch

743
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,840
is on the east side of the cascades in

744
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,320
washington state and then some of our

745
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,480
listeners viewers here may have heard

746
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,520
about marley woods ted phillips study of

747
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,960
marley woods

748
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,520
uh a ranch in missouri

749
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:10,799
that had the same phenomena even more

750
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,559
extreme sometimes than skinwalker ranch

751
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,960
so you have these locations where you

752
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:19,440
have these phenomena going on

753
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,000
uh again you have ufos you have uaps

754
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,080
we've seen it at skinwalker ranch in the

755
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,320
tv series or you can read james

756
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,399
lekatsky's you know excellent book i see

757
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,799
you have a copy of it right there

758
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,960
for the viewers yeah that's uh

759
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,799
yeah skinwalkers at the pentagon now

760
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,320
initially when i saw that andy i thought

761
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,919
what that could be about what kind of

762
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,760
title is that you read it you see they

763
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,080
encounter these werewolves

764
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,520
these

765
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,559
dark

766
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,520
uh

767
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,399
objects that emit a lot of cold and

768
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,159
create a lot of instant fear it's even

769
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,200
almost impossible to walk approach them

770
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,200
which people have

771
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,039
uh researchers who've been around

772
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,720
bigfoot have said the same thing you'll

773
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,559
hear where the sounds are coming from

774
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,559
you literally cannot walk closer than a

775
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,039
certain distance which is very similar

776
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,159
to what those three dia analysts recount

777
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,600
with that

778
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,360
sort of i don't know for lack of a

779
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:15,279
better word black hole like object on

780
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,120
the path yeah so the re these really do

781
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,960
seem connected now i don't want to be

782
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,720
the one to say these are all exactly the

783
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,240
same thing i'm not a reductionist i'm

784
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,480
not trying to explain this away

785
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,840
to answer your question i know i'm being

786
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,840
kind of long-winded about this i think

787
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,640
that

788
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,679
the life forms the technology and the

789
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:36,240
physics around this suggest that the

790
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,200
these

791
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,159
sorts of types of life are tapping into

792
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,880
the same frequencies that we get around

793
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,000
ball lightning and i'm not saying

794
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,919
they're literally the same thing but

795
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,640
they seem to be part of the same reality

796
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,159
they do seem to be part of the same

797
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:52,000
reality at these

798
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,120
various

799
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,279
portal locations whatever you'd like to

800
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,520
call them where these phenomena happen

801
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,440
i'm sure it's other parts of the world

802
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,760
too but maybe we haven't heard about it

803
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,600
maybe some of the governments don't want

804
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,880
to share

805
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,720
the the information about this i mean

806
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,399
the fact that you have the defense

807
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,159
intelligence agency looking at

808
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,279
skinwalker ranch

809
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,679
uh as a possible

810
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,240
national security threat

811
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,559
uh you know if you've listened to the

812
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,399
people we've heard on various podcasts

813
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,720
talking about skinwalker ranch

814
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,799
they did suggest that maybe some of the

815
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,200
activity there was

816
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,520
being caused by other

817
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,279
governments or something because there

818
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,200
were injuries to the researchers i don't

819
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,640
know if that's true or not but you can

820
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,799
see the type of thinking that's going on

821
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,760
in the heads of the people out there so

822
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,520
i think there's a lot more research

823
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,600
that's gone into this than we found out

824
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,200
about and uh even likatsky says that it

825
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,039
was such a hot potato

826
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,320
at the pentagon for asap to be looking

827
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,399
into dogmen

828
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,279
and bigfoot-like creatures

829
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,880
at skidwalker ranch that they couldn't

830
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,799
get any more funding for it because it

831
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,480
goes again it goes back to your first

832
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,559
question right at the beginning of our

833
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,559
conversation here it's just so off the

834
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,919
freaking charts

835
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,919
of what we consider to be real it

836
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,080
doesn't fit into

837
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,279
the bureaucratic organizational schemes

838
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,919
of modern society that are run by

839
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,679
committees and have to have annual

840
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,399
funding and so forth it almost can't fit

841
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,000
into one of those committee meetings

842
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,600
because people won't even know how to

843
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,880
talk about it

844
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,960
it might be too scary to them or too

845
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,520
traumatizing to want to talk about and

846
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,919
we have to consider the possibility that

847
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,000
it brings up experiences they've had

848
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,919
that they don't want to think about

849
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,760
having a picnic with their family in the

850
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,399
woods i mean as lakatsuki tells us

851
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,039
they saw these cryptids back in their

852
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,360
yards back in maryland when they came

853
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,399
back from skinwalker ranch

854
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,480
well maybe other people are experiencing

855
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,840
it too and you just don't even want to

856
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,120
go there so you're not going to get

857
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,720
funding for it so end of discussion on

858
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,840
the subject and that's what we're

859
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,600
dealing with is something

860
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,519
beyond our current paradigm to the

861
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,080
extent that we're simply not good at

862
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,080
processing it even at an individual

863
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,919
level or at a group level

864
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,240
it's like levels of understanding where

865
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,760
even those conversations you have with

866
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,440
friends and family about

867
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,240
ufos okay i can have that conversation

868
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,000
well what if they're not from space all

869
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,000
right okay i'm listening tell me more

870
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,120
and then you start to talk about

871
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,120
different realities dimensions different

872
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,559
entities and different you know

873
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,640
spiritual beings and they might still be

874
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,880
in the conversation and then you try and

875
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,559
get to a point where you have that

876
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,559
umbrella phenomena to say what if

877
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,600
bigfoot ghosts cryptids you know fairies

878
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,760
all these angels and demons were all one

879
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,600
in the same sort of phenomena and tie

880
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,279
ufos in with that and it's just too much

881
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,120
for people to get to that and it's like

882
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,640
at what point do people have that

883
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,320
natural tapping out and i think that's

884
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,000
where a lot of the as you say the

885
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,760
scientists and academics who are trying

886
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:53,760
to approach the subject

887
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,720
they still have to do a very basic level

888
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,240
because there comes a point when you do

889
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,000
apply for funding and you say that we're

890
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,640
going to go after you know dire wolves

891
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,880
are crawling out of portals on a ranch

892
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,480
that's probably a couple of steps too

893
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,240
far to secure x amount of millions that

894
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:10,240
you want to actually investigate it so

895
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,679
you pull it back and you pull it back

896
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,360
and you pull it back

897
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,039
and that's the same again with any of

898
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,039
those kind of conversations i do want to

899
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,640
ask you a question though

900
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,120
in your research do you think that when

901
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,960
it comes to bigfoot and those types of

902
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,159
cryptids

903
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,279
is witness testimony still the best

904
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,519
evidence that we have that these

905
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,919
creatures exist

906
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,640
yes and uh this is it's a very good

907
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,120
question because in social science we

908
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,159
consider this to be exploratory research

909
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,440
social science is a little different

910
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,440
than the hard sciences you're going to

911
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,559
just start with something called

912
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,000
exploratory resources where you don't

913
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,399
have any metrics you don't even have the

914
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,240
definition you're going to look at the

915
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,679
topic and see are there some basic

916
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,600
categories is there a way to talk about

917
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,519
it intelligently

918
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,279
and so you're going to rely on witness

919
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,640
testimony

920
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,720
anecdotal research now what really

921
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:02,159
struck me

922
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,360
uh people will say well it's just

923
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,679
anecdotal but you're talking about

924
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,679
thousands and thousands and thousands of

925
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,519
anecdotal reports of people who've never

926
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,760
spoken to each other before

927
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,760
who are encountering the same thing and

928
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:15,760
this is what struck me looking through

929
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:16,960
all the

930
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,760
bigfoot encrypted encounter stories

931
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,320
is that people will say exactly what

932
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,080
someone else said from a totally

933
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,840
different location

934
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,159
in terms of what they experienced one

935
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,519
example

936
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,840
sudden quiet that comes over the forest

937
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:33,519
before the encounter

938
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:36,840
even the crickets will stop

939
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,480
chirping now that's really weird uh why

940
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,080
is that i mean

941
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,399
when bigfoot comes around is it like the

942
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,919
the squirrels and the birds say hey the

943
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,840
big boss is around we got to be quiet or

944
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,480
is it a vibrational resonant change that

945
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,399
they just feel like there's a predator

946
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,320
around we should be quiet but what about

947
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,600
crickets uh why would cricket so someone

948
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,440
suggested to me this could be true that

949
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,159
it's some sort of space-time shift

950
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,640
where the sounds are not getting to your

951
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,880
ears maybe the forest isn't quiet but

952
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,040
you're sort of in a different space and

953
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,040
you can't hear it

954
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,280
or they really are getting quiet because

955
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:14,960
they're sensing something that's

956
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,280
triggering a defensive mechanism to hide

957
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,560
you know

958
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,119
from a coherent matter perspective it's

959
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,520
like another type of matter is sort of

960
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,879
entering

961
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,760
your

962
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,800
area

963
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:29,839
and

964
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,200
for whatever reason you those animals so

965
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,560
people who uh

966
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,839
this but again

967
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,440
going back to the commonalities isn't

968
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,599
this what we hear often happening around

969
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,560
ufo encounters i just for example terry

970
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,000
lovelace who i mentioned in the book

971
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,320
author of incident devil's den

972
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,760
many people are familiar with this story

973
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,919
of going to camp with his air force

974
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,679
medic buddy toby

975
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,560
in one of the arkansas state parks and

976
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,839
they were just outside the boundary but

977
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,760
right close to the park well if you

978
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,400
reread his book incident devil's den he

979
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,359
says

980
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,520
they're sitting in the tent and then i

981
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,440
think he says to toby hey you know isn't

982
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,040
it pretty quiet out there oh no toby

983
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,040
says to him isn't it why is it so quiet

984
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,280
all of a sudden the qrikets went away

985
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,520
and uh i think terry says back to toby

986
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,119
oh don't worry they'll come back right

987
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,000
before this huge triangular craft really

988
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,480
huge comes down and

989
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,400
well it's hovering over the field the

990
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,000
next thing they know they're

991
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,359
back in their tent

992
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,280
hours are gone by and they have memories

993
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,800
of being that right there they have

994
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,640
memories of being inside the triangular

995
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:32,160
craft and not particularly pleasant

996
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,200
memories

997
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,359
so again is that

998
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,480
sudden quiet around bigfoot and dogman

999
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,839
and other cryptids and there's a whole

1000
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,400
host of cryptids by the way uh

1001
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,160
more and more rare as you go along but

1002
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,320
people report these experiences is that

1003
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,640
type of sudden quiet the same as we get

1004
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,119
around the ufo sightings i'm assuming

1005
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,800
because people say it's the same sort of

1006
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,480
thing it is i mean it could be something

1007
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,480
else but seems to me like the same sort

1008
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,440
of phenomena on a quick side note i'm in

1009
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,359
contact with terry lovelace just now and

1010
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,839
he should be on the podcast in september

1011
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,359
and we're just waiting a week or two but

1012
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,200
that's a nice timing mentioning that one

1013
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,640
and i noticed he wasn't mentioned in the

1014
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,560
book a couple of times yeah and his

1015
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,040
books are obviously quoted um

1016
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,359
on that idea of society having this

1017
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,680
discussion and conversation and

1018
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:20,960
do you think we are there yet in 2022 as

1019
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,079
a society that people on mass are ready

1020
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,280
to accept and study dark matter monsters

1021
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,760
in a serious way and accept that they're

1022
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,560
actually part of our reality

1023
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:34,079
it's going to be a very big step isn't

1024
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:35,280
it

1025
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,920
but the evidence points

1026
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,680
to the reality that they're there

1027
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:46,000
they're out there they can

1028
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,119
uh

1029
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,200
it's the same sort of thing we're going

1030
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,520
through with ufo

1031
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,560
reporting to congress in the us with the

1032
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,119
national defense authorization

1033
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,240
bill that is renewed yearly

1034
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,359
and this time we're told just even as uh

1035
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
two weeks ago when i think it was passed

1036
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,440
by the house yeah there has to be a

1037
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,680
pipeline a classified pipeline where the

1038
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,760
defense department has to report back to

1039
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,839
the house and the senate

1040
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,960
uh

1041
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,400
committees i guess the intelligence

1042
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,520
committee

1043
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,760
the ones that handle classified material

1044
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,480
yeah

1045
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,880
they are demanding that they report

1046
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,160
anything

1047
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,960
you know related to ufos and uaps they

1048
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,800
don't want it kept secret anymore and

1049
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,480
that's because all these pilots that

1050
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,920
we've heard about at least from the navy

1051
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,599
side we don't know again why the air

1052
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,920
force has been so completely quiet about

1053
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,320
this though we can hypothesize yeah

1054
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,000
right yes and you've talked about this

1055
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,760
on the show in other part i mean but the

1056
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,359
navy i mean we've

1057
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,599
talked to the you've had

1058
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,160
the witnesses on uh people familiar with

1059
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,480
this material people like lou have heard

1060
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,320
the classified side of it which the rest

1061
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,760
of us haven't

1062
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,160
uh the congress has said we're you know

1063
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,200
we're we're done with this we want

1064
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,200
to know what's going on we want and i

1065
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,280
think the and

1066
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,720
the ndaa

1067
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,800
mandates that anything

1068
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,720
that department of defense knows about

1069
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:11,280
this topic must go to the house and the

1070
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,560
senate

1071
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,560
to you know be

1072
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:16,240
discussed so

1073
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,960
uh

1074
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:19,040
are we ready for it

1075
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,079
um

1076
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:21,680
i think

1077
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,280
whether we are or not because we're not

1078
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,440
going to grow and mature as a society

1079
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,280
and be able to handle the challenges

1080
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,200
that we all face as a planet without

1081
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,440
having these discussions and whether

1082
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,440
it's just about ufos

1083
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,000
as elizondo and melon have talked about

1084
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,520
where they feel like we need to have a

1085
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,839
national discussion for our own you know

1086
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:43,920
the structural health of our society

1087
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,640
because we're having pilots and and all

1088
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,560
sorts of people having experience with

1089
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,160
this which they're because of social

1090
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,680
stigma

1091
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,480
they

1092
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,440
don't talk about it and uh we don't get

1093
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,200
the information and it could have

1094
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,280
national security implications well on

1095
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,359
another level with the cryptids it's the

1096
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,280
same sort of thing

1097
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,280
if people are being traumatized by their

1098
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,200
encounters and having talked to these

1099
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,720
witnesses and i mentioned some in the

1100
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,280
book people i've known just around this

1101
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,680
area in colorado

1102
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,839
i mean it took 20 years to get one of

1103
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,000
these witnesses in the book to tell me a

1104
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,280
story that i didn't even put in the book

1105
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,839
just a couple of weeks ago i said

1106
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,760
to this guy i said i need to hear this

1107
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,599
story what happened to you out there

1108
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,839
it's when he was camping by himself

1109
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,079
and he was so traumatized by this that

1110
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,400
he never talked about it even to me and

1111
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,240
i've known him for so long

1112
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,160
and so if it takes two decades for

1113
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,240
someone that i've known pretty well

1114
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,400
who i met through one of my rv classes

1115
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,240
to start talking about it i mean it's

1116
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,560
it's a big deal for people to admit that

1117
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,920
this has happened that they've been

1118
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:51,200
frightened out there in the woods by

1119
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,720
something they can't identify that's a

1120
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:53,440
big

1121
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,440
imagine for

1122
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,079
people in the armed forces to talk about

1123
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,760
it too because

1124
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,440
you know when i asked one of the

1125
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,400
witnesses from the nimitz incidents

1126
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:08,079
when i talked to him on my youtube

1127
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,200
channel

1128
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,640
um how many people in that carrier group

1129
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,440
knew

1130
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,760
about these tic tacs and had been

1131
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:17,839
talking about them

1132
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:20,640
uh he put it in the thousands

1133
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,720
out that one was it that one nimitz uh

1134
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,079
aircraft carrier i don't know how many

1135
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,599
thousand are just on the aircraft

1136
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:28,640
carrier

1137
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,359
but he said even though we've only heard

1138
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,359
maybe 20 or 30 witnesses and we've had

1139
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,359
more come forward recently

1140
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,880
i mean he put it and thousands would

1141
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:40,079
have been talking about it and then

1142
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,040
maybe it would have been called

1143
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,760
scuttlebutt yeah you know yeah so the

1144
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,400
scuttlebutts going around across the

1145
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,720
whole carrier group but he said

1146
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,960
of thousands that would have known about

1147
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,400
it maybe 20

1148
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,800
of the whole

1149
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,200
personnel on the carrier group

1150
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,040
you've only had a small fraction come

1151
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,200
forward and talk about it because of the

1152
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,680
damage it could do to their career

1153
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,440
promotion time so forth many things

1154
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,760
could inhibit your promotion

1155
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,680
when you have some sort of review in the

1156
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,880
military if you talk to people who've

1157
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,520
been in the military so if you know and

1158
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,200
and this is what congress said in the

1159
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,520
uap task force report right is the

1160
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,000
sociocultural stigma so i think that

1161
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,079
applies to all of these topics i think

1162
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,640
we've really been scared andy

1163
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,440
of publicly talking about it not you and

1164
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,359
people who you've had on the podcast

1165
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,200
it's opening up it's obviously opening

1166
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,040
up and this is a subject that affects a

1167
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,680
lot of people but the really interesting

1168
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,280
thing is the more you talk about this

1169
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,760
the more witnesses will contact you

1170
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,520
one way or another to you know i heard

1171
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,480
you talking about this or i saw you you

1172
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,400
know your youtube video i had an

1173
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,400
experience like this too and they've

1174
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,440
never

1175
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,640
uh talked about it to anyone before

1176
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,880
i'm hoping uh people you know given you

1177
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,720
talked about that attention test earlier

1178
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,079
on where the gorilla walks across the

1179
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,920
basketball court and i've talked about

1180
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,839
that on the podcast before i'm hoping

1181
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,200
people were so engrossed in what you

1182
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,800
were seeing that they missed the beeping

1183
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,240
there as one of the trucks were leaving

1184
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,000
with the chainsaws so maybe they've

1185
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,440
missed that paying so much attention to

1186
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,880
your apologies for that one folks which

1187
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,280
is a quick one um did you happen in the

1188
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,000
last week simeon to catch uh gary nolan

1189
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,720
on carlson so that was really

1190
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,640
interesting because gary nolan's a

1191
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,240
really fascinating character i spoke to

1192
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,680
him on the podcast a couple of months

1193
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,119
ago he's going to be coming back on in

1194
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,480
the near future

1195
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,119
and he was happy to sit there and talk

1196
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,079
about potential injuries related to

1197
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,560
exposure to ufos uap

1198
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
do you see in the research you've done

1199
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,560
and the cases you've researched any

1200
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,280
similar types of effects from exposure

1201
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,640
and you talk about those kind of

1202
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,800
space-time bubbles or vacuums whatever

1203
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,560
it is people are entering in those quiet

1204
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,119
spaces anything similar to do with

1205
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,200
bigfoot ball lightning and other types

1206
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,599
of exposure

1207
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,160
yeah so the gary nolan interview i mean

1208
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,760
i love the part just

1209
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,839
as an aside where people have said to

1210
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,319
him as they've said to many people

1211
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,599
in professional

1212
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,640
levels

1213
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,760
don't you think this might hurt your

1214
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,839
reputation i mean i mean i started

1215
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,920
listening to the interview this morning

1216
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,359
very early this morning because i just

1217
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,560
saw it last night

1218
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,680
yeah and one yeah so i love his response

1219
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,240
nolan's response he goes that is my rep

1220
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,920
that is my reputation to go against the

1221
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,440
grain that's what i do

1222
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,720
it's like you know what he's saying is

1223
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,640
like science isn't a popularity contest

1224
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,839
you don't do it to get likes on your

1225
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,280
facebook page you do it to pursue the

1226
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,880
truth make sense of the data and see if

1227
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,880
you can figure this puzzle out and he's

1228
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:32,960
dealing with these injuries from ufos

1229
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,160
uaps we've heard about this and in dark

1230
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,160
matter monsters i mentioned the nightcap

1231
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,960
study from 67 i believe

1232
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:41,839
uh

1233
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,520
major donald kehoe and gordon lord and

1234
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,599
they put together about a hundred cases

1235
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,599
of weird effects

1236
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,000
around ufos the ones that we're all used

1237
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,760
to but just to read them again it's so

1238
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,319
classic it's so interesting right

1239
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:58,560
uh the the sense of confusion people

1240
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,560
have around um the agitation to animals

1241
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:05,359
the the types of injuries that they get

1242
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,280
burns and so forth so um

1243
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,200
i haven't been actually able to

1244
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,440
medically examine anyone who's been

1245
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,760
around bigfoot but just talking to these

1246
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,760
witnesses

1247
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,319
uh i don't know if it's the same types

1248
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,119
of injuries as ufos but there are of

1249
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,200
physiological effects that in the

1250
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:27,680
bigfoot world is called brain fog and

1251
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,720
it's been attributed to infrasound

1252
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:33,359
infrasound being those very low

1253
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,160
uh

1254
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,800
vibration sounds that various animals

1255
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,440
can make i mean whales use infrasound i

1256
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,640
believe they

1257
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,079
uh elephants

1258
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,280
very low

1259
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,160
frequencies to that really broadcast out

1260
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:48,000
to a distance to other members of their

1261
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,599
species so they can communicate across

1262
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,200
these long distances

1263
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,240
and people feel that bigfoot uses

1264
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,880
this type of infrasound to hunt and that

1265
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,440
they occasionally use it against people

1266
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,760
too which might be true

1267
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,920
but we do know from the literature

1268
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,240
around coherent matter and ball

1269
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,960
lightning's one type of coherent matter

1270
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,880
based on my research

1271
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,800
that there are serious injuries and even

1272
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,520
deaths around coherent matter

1273
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,200
people who've participated in cold

1274
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,359
fusion experiments have had injuries

1275
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,040
right in their lab

1276
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,920
there was one very famous incident from

1277
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,319
joseph papp when he gave a demonstration

1278
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,839
at caltech

1279
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:29,680
of his

1280
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,920
called it but it was a cold fusion

1281
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,319
related device based on

1282
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:37,680
hho

1283
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,119
gas oxy hydrogen gas

1284
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,200
which has a condensed

1285
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,280
aspect to it and richard feynman the

1286
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,200
famous physicist

1287
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,040
went up on stage and pulled out the

1288
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,040
grounding wire the grounding wire was

1289
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,040
there to channel these

1290
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,760
charge clusters in a safe way back into

1291
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,359
the electrical system through the ground

1292
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,720
which is what we all have on our

1293
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,480
equipment and feynman thought it was a

1294
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,319
type of cheating

1295
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,520
so he uh pulled out the ground and pap

1296
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:07,520
was you know very insistent that he put

1297
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,160
it

1298
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,160
reattach the ground wire

1299
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,680
feynman refused to do it and there was

1300
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,920
an explosion and one person was killed

1301
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,760
and two were injured and there was a

1302
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,359
lawsuit that

1303
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,680
against feynman for doing that

1304
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,440
so that's just one early example we know

1305
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,200
just even from the 60s where there were

1306
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,839
injuries around this type of matter now

1307
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,200
we're talking about an entirely

1308
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,720
electromagnetic effect or even an

1309
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,160
explosion it's not like we're not

1310
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:31,599
talking about gasoline explosion there

1311
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,000
andy we're talking about an

1312
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,240
electromagnetic object decohering in an

1313
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,480
unstable way well

1314
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,400
if you look into the literature about

1315
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:42,880
ball lightning there are occasional

1316
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,760
injuries to animals to people

1317
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,520
they can explode

1318
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,800
um

1319
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,040
they can do all sorts of things and they

1320
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:53,440
can leave in the lakatsky book there's

1321
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,359
an example of these orbs uh of a father

1322
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,839
and daughter he mentions driving through

1323
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,040
the northwest

1324
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:02,800
yeah and then the daughter sees these

1325
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,920
blue orbs come in from the right and go

1326
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,839
and this person sustained injuries from

1327
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,040
that now

1328
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,880
i can't prove sitting right here and

1329
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,720
from the book that that wasn't something

1330
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,200
else but that is consistent with charge

1331
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,680
clusters exotic vacuum objects and ball

1332
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,720
lightning

1333
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,920
that they

1334
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,920
have unpredictable effects when we

1335
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,760
encounter them it's admittedly a rare

1336
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,839
phenomena phenomenon i haven't

1337
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:27,839
encountered it myself well actually i

1338
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,920
have in uh around nap hill in 98 i was

1339
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,920
with a fellow looking down at a crop

1340
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,280
circle in

1341
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,359
uh the east field it's a huge field

1342
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,359
where circles have shown up and i did

1343
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,599
see a small orb he saw it too so i knew

1344
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,760
it wasn't just making this up yeah a

1345
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,240
small orb off to the right

1346
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,079
just lasted for a few seconds typical of

1347
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,440
ball lightning

1348
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,280
it looked like it was sort of getting

1349
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,520
fed energy from the ground the way it

1350
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,040
was modulating i did see that

1351
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,960
but these can have unpredictable effects

1352
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,280
and so i would say that

1353
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,000
perhaps some of the injuries that nolan

1354
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:05,760
is looking at

1355
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,359
are not just due to exotic technologies

1356
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,440
from advanced craft

1357
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,800
you know

1358
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:15,440
certain electromagnetic frequencies or

1359
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,200
even uh you know ultra violet

1360
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,640
bluish light

1361
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,559
that can cause burns

1362
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,079
it seems like what nolan was talking

1363
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,000
about there are more severe than just

1364
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,520
injuries because one of the witnesses i

1365
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:28,960
interviewed

1366
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,240
gary who worked at minot air force base

1367
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,079
in the 70s and i've talked about this

1368
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,520
before and i have his videos on my

1369
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,760
youtube channel i mean he talked about

1370
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,920
him and his buddy in the security alert

1371
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,720
truck were burned by this ufo that they

1372
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,760
see

1373
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,559
uh

1374
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,960
near a silo they're sent out to to find

1375
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,800
out why the alarms keep going off and he

1376
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,079
said i mean it was so bright you

1377
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,520
couldn't even discern a shape as it

1378
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,079
vertically took off by the silo and they

1379
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,920
were burned the whole side of the the

1380
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,240
jeep was discolored he said even their

1381
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,119
rifles their m16s were discolored on the

1382
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,079
right side and i think uh

1383
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,240
was it uh

1384
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,079
jim penniston who suffered the same

1385
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,240
injuries at rendelsham forest or john

1386
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,160
burroughs john excuse me john burroughs

1387
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,079
yeah yeah so there's

1388
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,800
this is part of these

1389
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,000
phenomena

1390
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:20,960
and whether they're exactly the same

1391
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,839
remains to be seen but it's it it's part

1392
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,319
and parcel of this territory is that

1393
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,720
many times these

1394
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,400
types of

1395
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,319
uh objects

1396
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,359
uh and even creatures are not harmful in

1397
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,440
the least even ball lightning can just

1398
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,000
evaporate nothing happens but there's

1399
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,559
cases where it also can be quite

1400
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,760
uh

1401
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:44,960
there's a lot of energy there it can

1402
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,240
explode it can discharge electricity and

1403
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,520
it seems to me

1404
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,160
uh andy that a lot of what they saw at

1405
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,160
skinwalker ranch maybe even are seen

1406
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,520
right now

1407
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,200
it's not any different than what we saw

1408
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,359
around ball lightning now it may not be

1409
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,680
exactly the same thing because it's not

1410
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,079
coming from you know thunderstorms which

1411
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,839
generate bull lightning it seems coming

1412
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,760
out of the ground or just associated

1413
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:09,520
with the area

1414
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,119
but the symptoms are so similar from the

1415
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,280
destructive effects of coherent matter

1416
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,880
ball lightning that i just have to think

1417
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:18,559
it's the same sort of thing in other

1418
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,920
words it's not necessarily an entity

1419
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,480
intentionally hurting people

1420
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,760
and livestock the incidents with the

1421
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:29,680
cows and so forth the cattle it's not

1422
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:33,359
necessarily an intelligent entity

1423
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,559
using these energies to injure people

1424
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,920
what i'm just saying is the ball

1425
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:39,839
lightning does this on its own and it's

1426
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,040
so exquisitely sensitive if you read

1427
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,720
books about ball lightning like this

1428
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:45,760
book

1429
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,960
by russian researcher bitchkov at al

1430
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,119
very extensive treatment of the history

1431
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:52,640
of bald lightning goes back to you know

1432
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,839
these people have looked people have

1433
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,960
researchers have looked at all these

1434
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,880
studies all the injuries around it it's

1435
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,480
very similar to what they're talking

1436
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,280
about so unless you know we can show

1437
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,079
it's an entirely different phenomenon

1438
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,319
that's intentionally doing something

1439
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,200
people i would have to say that these

1440
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:11,119
ball lightning is so sensitive to its

1441
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,319
environment actually looks like it's

1442
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,599
following you

1443
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,720
signature and i'll tell you one more

1444
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,240
thing about this andy when we were out

1445
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,079
in the crop circles for you know about

1446
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,680
two decades i started looking at them in

1447
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,760
97.

1448
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,160
we would find our static meter would be

1449
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:28,240
extremely sensitive to the shape of the

1450
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,440
crop circle in other words the

1451
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,760
electrostatic charge was really affected

1452
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,200
by the shape and the distance of the

1453
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,520
ground so it just seems to me that makes

1454
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,440
sense that ball lightning also can be if

1455
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,359
i can measure with a meter it's not

1456
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,440
surprising that this type of matter

1457
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:42,960
would also

1458
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,280
follow you know its way through open

1459
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,920
windows and doors as people see it leave

1460
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,400
go down the aisles of aircraft

1461
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,480
it's not because i don't think it's

1462
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,680
because it's intelligent and it's

1463
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,040
following its way down the aisle like

1464
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,800
we're walking it's following that

1465
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,720
electrostatic gradient so when i hear

1466
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,559
this happening at skinwalker ranch and

1467
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,559
i'm happy to be proved wrong but when i

1468
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,400
hear this happening in skinwalker ranch

1469
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,040
following animals around um

1470
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,880
and doing things it could be the same

1471
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,040
thing it's just following gradients that

1472
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,640
doesn't mean that there aren't life

1473
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,240
forms that are also tapping into it at

1474
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,680
the same time i'm not trying to explain

1475
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,200
it all the way i'm just trying to say we

1476
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,559
shouldn't assume that there's an entity

1477
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,079
there that's doing this

1478
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,240
what about no that that's totally fair

1479
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,839
and it's good to look at both sides of

1480
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,520
it but what about the potential that the

1481
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,520
ball lightening itself

1482
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,480
is some sort of life form or you know

1483
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,319
could it be like a hint a plasma based

1484
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,559
life form

1485
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
well i don't think we can ever rule that

1486
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,160
out um

1487
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,599
that would be very interesting to

1488
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,280
discover that and it's something that

1489
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,839
i've thought about a lot is

1490
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,920
does some sort of intelligence has it

1491
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,559
tapped into the ball lightning in a way

1492
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,839
that it can

1493
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,079
direct it in a certain way

1494
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,760
it's an open question

1495
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:55,680
but the ball lightning itself forms any

1496
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,480
time you get really compressed uh

1497
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,800
coherent matter current meaning same

1498
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,119
frequency same temperature the electrons

1499
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,880
will become one big electron the

1500
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,319
electrons if that's what we're dealing

1501
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,160
with here the charge lesser will

1502
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,400
compress and there's a researcher who

1503
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,319
worked with hal put off named ken

1504
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,520
kenneth

1505
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:15,839
radford shoulders who worked at sri

1506
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,559
lanka uh even back in the early rv

1507
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,240
program who was a real pioneer in

1508
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,480
microelectronics and he uh

1509
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,119
he passed away i'm sorry to say from

1510
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:30,000
injuries due to his research

1511
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,800
in

1512
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,720
compressed condensed matter because it

1513
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:35,040
can create radiation and so forth but

1514
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,559
kenneth's shoulders did a lot of

1515
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:38,319
research in this area and others and i

1516
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:41,359
think they've shown us matsumoto

1517
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,559
um

1518
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,599
alexander parkimov in the ussr and now

1519
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,640
russia he they've shown that when you

1520
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,280
get really compressed matter

1521
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,240
these electromagnetic forces

1522
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,119
uh overwhelm gravity and are the

1523
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,960
predominant force and they literally

1524
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,599
compress particles subatomic particles

1525
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,280
together that there's transmutation the

1526
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,520
particles lose their identity what they

1527
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,119
had before and become like one big

1528
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,720
coherent particle in the case of ball

1529
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,440
lightning one big coherent you know one

1530
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,920
electron a hue a macro electron you know

1531
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,040
the same sort of thing before they come

1532
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,920
apart again and so

1533
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,599
you know to answer a question i'm not

1534
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,440
sure it necessarily it's a good question

1535
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,960
and i'm not resolved on this one way or

1536
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,720
another i'm not sure it needs

1537
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,200
intelligence to do what it does but that

1538
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,880
doesn't mean

1539
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,160
that

1540
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,800
types of life haven't tapped into it

1541
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:35,599
because there's a saying from the miwok

1542
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,319
indians of the yosemite valley in

1543
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,599
california

1544
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,119
they're saying is wherever a bigfoot

1545
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,359
walks a lantern follows

1546
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,280
wherever a bigfoot walks a lantern

1547
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,400
follows

1548
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,160
and that means that there's an

1549
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:50,400
association between an organic type of

1550
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,440
life

1551
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,720
and this ball lightning these orbs

1552
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,160
and the book you mentioned that ball

1553
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,000
lightning tends to be relatively small

1554
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,720
in size where you also talk about many

1555
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:02,799
ufo reports they'll talk about objects

1556
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,760
the size of football fields huge craft

1557
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,839
do you think that leans towards ruling

1558
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,400
out a correlation between ufo sightings

1559
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,240
and ball lightning being confused for

1560
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,480
each other or is it just a different

1561
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,280
part of the puzzle to solve

1562
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,720
yeah no that's a really good question i

1563
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,440
mean

1564
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,680
ufos seem a lot bigger than you ever see

1565
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,200
from ball lightning ball lightning

1566
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,040
averages you know maybe a few feet

1567
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,640
across it can be

1568
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,280
smaller and in the case of the cold

1569
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,520
fusion it can be micro ball lightning

1570
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,040
people have seen these little ballet

1571
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,280
matsumoto especially

1572
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,720
this is how they kind of saw there was a

1573
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,480
connection in their cold fusion

1574
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,160
experiments under scanning electron

1575
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,160
microscopes they saw a little ball

1576
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,760
lightnings moving around and on the

1577
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,240
surfaces of palladium metals or

1578
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,319
but certainly there's a point at which

1579
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,839
it's not going to be ball lighting

1580
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,520
anymore i think i don't know what the

1581
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,680
limit to the size is

1582
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,839
10 meters something like that

1583
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,440
and again it's a good question for

1584
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:59,040
investigation i don't totally know the

1585
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,400
answer are

1586
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,040
these ufos uaps

1587
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,520
are they generating something like that

1588
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,599
type of current matter that we

1589
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,520
recognize as ball lightning certainly

1590
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,640
there's got to be a difference and

1591
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,319
certainly when you get to a certain size

1592
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,559
but in the nightcap report from gordon

1593
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,280
and laura they talk about these orbs

1594
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,920
and balls of light and uh

1595
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,319
going back to john ramirez you know the

1596
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,680
former cia miss uh signals analyst who

1597
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:28,079
made the podcast circuit not too long

1598
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,880
ago

1599
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,079
i don't know if you had him on this show

1600
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,920
but he's joining us yeah a couple times

1601
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,720
yet yeah yeah so he he talked about this

1602
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,720
and he said that the

1603
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,079
i mean he's talking about this quite

1604
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,200
openly he said that he believed

1605
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,920
that these orbs which they could see

1606
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,160
coming into the atmosphere

1607
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,400
through the keyhole satellites you know

1608
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,640
highly classified satellite system which

1609
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,160
ramirez told us we could look up in

1610
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,319
wikipedia and get a lot of the basic

1611
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,400
which i did

1612
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,839
you know the enter service i believe in

1613
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:59,520
the early 70s

1614
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,480
uh so he said these keyhole satellites

1615
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,040
were picking up in the infrared range

1616
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,880
these orbs

1617
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,520
coming into the earth's atmosphere

1618
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:10,880
and

1619
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,559
being interested in uh nuclear test

1620
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,160
sites and

1621
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,880
related facilities

1622
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,319
um

1623
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,960
he said that they saw these over the

1624
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,680
soviet union they initially thought that

1625
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,559
these might be some sort of soviet

1626
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:30,480
counter defensive measures you maybe

1627
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,440
you've heard remember him saying this

1628
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,359
right yes yeah yeah well the real

1629
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,640
interesting thing about it is he said

1630
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,640
that they concluded that these orbs were

1631
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:38,079
a type of ufo

1632
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,799
that

1633
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,359
in other words we think of ufos as solid

1634
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,799
objects right

1635
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,280
in a large sense right like metallic

1636
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,960
crafters i know jacques valets tried to

1637
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,640
push us away said look they're not

1638
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,400
little guys getting in their metal craft

1639
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,160
coming from other planets

1640
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,720
but ramirez's suggesting i mean i think

1641
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,480
he's pretty saying it pretty explicitly

1642
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,480
here uh correct me if i'm wrong that

1643
00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:00,240
these orbs and ufos are the same

1644
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,599
phenomena

1645
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,160
so in that case these orbs would be sort

1646
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:06,839
of a different state

1647
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,720
uh of matter of these ufos and he even

1648
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,520
went as far as describing them as dark

1649
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,119
plasmas do you remember him saying that

1650
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,960
dark plastic yeah

1651
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:17,760
so

1652
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,200
uh that gets into the era we know of

1653
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,160
coherent matter having an invisible form

1654
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:25,760
a sort of a

1655
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,119
a dark form a dark uh some people call

1656
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,319
it black ball lightning so i guess what

1657
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,440
i'm suggesting andy is there's a

1658
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,280
spectrum of phenomena here and i

1659
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,280
certainly haven't in my own mind come to

1660
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,960
a resolution of

1661
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,280
what is it that's ufo what is it that's

1662
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,280
ball lightning what is it that's orbs i

1663
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,160
guess what they're on a spectrum of

1664
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,079
intelligent control and then something

1665
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,680
that just seems to be a physics

1666
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,280
phenomena but there seems to be a

1667
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,640
relationship between them which is

1668
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,119
really intriguing really intriguing

1669
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,880
i want to get some listener questions

1670
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,400
because some of the things that i would

1671
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,920
have jumped in with people have wanted

1672
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,359
to ask and i'm going to leave it up to

1673
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,359
them so let's get to some of these the

1674
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,359
first question was from paul you

1675
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,799
answered that earlier on that was the

1676
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,960
one you answered on twitter uh when you

1677
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,640
talked about the connection between ufos

1678
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,160
and bigfoot so thank you paul wanted to

1679
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,760
give you a shout out for that one simeon

1680
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,079
brought that one up um newman always

1681
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,640
sends in some good questions newman asks

1682
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,040
how does simeon rationalize a reported

1683
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,839
overlap of alien visitations with

1684
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,079
appearances of entities that seem to

1685
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,480
come from an afterlife and he says that

1686
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,839
whitley strieber

1687
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,680
for instance reports that together with

1688
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,920
his wife he encountered grey beings as

1689
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,680
well as what appear to be ghosts of

1690
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,000
deceased relatives during a contact

1691
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:40,160
event

1692
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,680
well i think

1693
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,520
we're going to come to the conclusion

1694
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,440
whether it's five years from now or a

1695
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,559
hundred years from now i don't know how

1696
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,559
long it's going to take i think we're

1697
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,160
surrounded by a lot of different forms

1698
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,760
of life

1699
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,359
just what we've been taught is just

1700
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,520
wrong in school

1701
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,559
it

1702
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,040
we're taught in biology classes and

1703
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,880
science classes that there's this tree

1704
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,119
of life and somehow we're at the

1705
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,440
apex of it right and it starts with sea

1706
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,839
life and it kind of singular cell

1707
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,760
organisms and ends up with us and that's

1708
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,720
it

1709
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,920
i bet

1710
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,160
what we recognize as life right now is a

1711
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,000
tenth of a percent of the life that's

1712
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,319
around us even in our own galaxy i mean

1713
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,280
we know just from dark matter alone

1714
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,599
the study of dark matter and this we

1715
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:25,359
haven't talked about this yet andy in

1716
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,119
our conversation so far is that 99.5 of

1717
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:30,720
the matter and energy out there is

1718
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,839
invisible to our sensory systems and all

1719
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,680
of our equipment it can only be detected

1720
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,839
gravitationally even the other type of

1721
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,400
matter that's similar to us is

1722
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,640
considered non-baryonic

1723
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:44,160
which means it doesn't interact with

1724
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:45,440
light

1725
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:48,640
so even in our own universe we know that

1726
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,040
we're only seeing like a half a percent

1727
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,880
so even if we look at the james webb

1728
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:55,200
telescope images which are beautiful the

1729
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,480
new ones that are coming back like that

1730
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,480
pinwheel galaxy yeah

1731
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,880
it's just like wow if that doesn't make

1732
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,359
your day i'm just beautiful

1733
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,280
well that's only a half percent folks of

1734
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:07,440
everything that's out there so is it

1735
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,760
really that far-fetched to think that

1736
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,839
maybe we're only aware of half a percent

1737
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,599
of the types of life

1738
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,319
that are out there and not all of it is

1739
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:19,200
physical some of it is in the energy

1740
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,000
realm

1741
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,319
it's not far afield from relativity

1742
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:24,480
theory general relativity theory which

1743
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,319
says e equals m c squared and what is

1744
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,000
einstein telling us there

1745
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,240
is that energy equals mass times the

1746
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,559
speed of light square that energy and

1747
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,240
it's even hard for us to i mean just

1748
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,280
talking about it right now and it

1749
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,960
doesn't seem like well there's mass

1750
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,799
there's physical things and then there's

1751
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,079
energy things that are making our

1752
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:41,760
conversation possible and lights and

1753
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,480
stuff but einstein told us you know 100

1754
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,240
years ago that energy and mass are the

1755
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,480
same thing and then quantum mechanics

1756
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,119
tells us that everything has a frequency

1757
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,960
in relationship to a constant called

1758
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,319
planck's constant that it's not

1759
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:56,880
continuous well again as max tegmark

1760
01:02:02,470 --> 01:01:59,760
gets back into his book uh you know our

1761
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,480
mathematical universe and hugh everett

1762
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,559
before him in the 50s as a graduate

1763
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,280
student at princeton university

1764
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,280
the other way to look at that because of

1765
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,440
planck's constant is you have all these

1766
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,839
parallel realities stacked up next to

1767
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,079
each other at different frequencies and

1768
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,799
as much as it is a blow to your ego to

1769
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,799
think that you're perceiving everything

1770
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,480
none of us are

1771
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:24,079
but there was an article in science

1772
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:25,520
magazine just yesterday i was looking at

1773
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,000
saying that we only as humans we only

1774
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,079
see a very narrow

1775
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,160
uh spectrum of the electromagnetic

1776
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,839
frequencies that are out there different

1777
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,760
animals are all specialized based on

1778
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,359
where they are in the earth in the

1779
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,799
oceans in the atmosphere i've seen

1780
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,319
different frequencies

1781
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,319
we're just not seen as much as is out

1782
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,000
there so i don't think it's really a

1783
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:46,319
stretch to think that there's other life

1784
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,280
that

1785
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,599
is just not easily perceptible or may

1786
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,319
even be in frequency ranges that we

1787
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,480
don't perceive directly

1788
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,079
and if that other life had developed a

1789
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,680
technology which allowed them to change

1790
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,520
between the frequencies they can pop in

1791
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,680
here and that's why you see them for a

1792
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:03,920
split second for a few minutes then why

1793
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,920
they look hazy grainy

1794
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,599
hard to take photographs off hard to

1795
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,920
film and then they go away and it's

1796
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,280
that's it they're just jumping back and

1797
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,440
forward like a radio station and we

1798
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,119
don't like that ability

1799
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,680
exactly and the your the listeners

1800
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:19,280
question is why do we perceive them

1801
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,240
together

1802
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:22,079
well once you start perceiving other

1803
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,160
frequencies maybe your just ability to

1804
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,079
perceive more frequencies opens up and

1805
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,559
you start perceiving the frequencies of

1806
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,200
spirits and other life forms

1807
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,760
uh whatever you want to call them ghosts

1808
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,960
or things like this maybe these are

1809
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,039
versions of us at different frequencies

1810
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:40,799
people that have passed on that we knew

1811
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:43,280
maybe they existed different you know

1812
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,640
that's bleed through from other

1813
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,799
realities i mean it's not hard to think

1814
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,119
about it that way and so

1815
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:51,280
for me you know getting involved in rv

1816
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,720
i've often said that was like a gateway

1817
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,280
drug because i came into rv as

1818
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:58,000
open-minded skeptic in other words i was

1819
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,359
hoping that it could be real and i

1820
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,880
thought maybe it's not real and i'll

1821
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,880
take a class like i did in 96 and we'll

1822
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,200
see well it worked yeah no it worked it

1823
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,880
really worked and i got results there's

1824
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,400
no way this has any conventional

1825
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:09,920
explanation you're describing something

1826
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,119
you won't see for half an hour and here

1827
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,640
you've drawn it already on the page how

1828
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,240
how could that be

1829
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,000
it starts opening you up to questioning

1830
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:18,000
lots of other things you start seeing

1831
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:19,839
more because you're relying more less on

1832
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,559
your senses and more on your intuition

1833
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,240
and so that time it takes you on a

1834
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,240
pathway to see more and more of what's

1835
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,839
going on around you well i think it's

1836
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,680
the same way with people who've had ufo

1837
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,599
encounters or so forth i think it kind

1838
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,599
of opens the aperture i mean that's the

1839
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:35,760
analogy that ingo swan used

1840
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:38,079
we start off we probably start off with

1841
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,920
a pretty open aperture but being

1842
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,760
socialized in the societies that we grew

1843
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,440
up in it's kind of narrowed become

1844
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,079
practical adult people and our aperture

1845
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,000
perception gets kind of shut down but

1846
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,720
through training like rv or experiences

1847
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,280
or maybe even near-death experiences

1848
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,280
uh the aperture opens up and you see

1849
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,839
more and you see more of what's really

1850
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,280
been there the whole time

1851
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,119
and same with psychedelics as i've

1852
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,960
discussed psychedelics with dr andrew

1853
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,559
gallimore before and he talked about

1854
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,400
various different things and again

1855
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:08,079
gateway drugs are they're called gateway

1856
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:09,440
for a reason because they're opening up

1857
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,079
that that door to something else so but

1858
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,400
yeah really interesting um

1859
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:17,039
okay this name slarty barked fast is

1860
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,400
really hard to say with a scottish

1861
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,960
accent but i think i got there um slarty

1862
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,559
just said could you tell us more about

1863
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,520
time slips and time anomalies

1864
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,000
now that is an entirely fascinating

1865
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,760
subject in and of itself but i'm sure

1866
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,200
it's related to what we're talking about

1867
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,799
andy and again i don't claim to have all

1868
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,160
the answers i'm just we're just looking

1869
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,160
at the evidence here i had i've had

1870
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:37,920
friends i have friends who've had these

1871
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,240
time slip experiences they literally

1872
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,520
went into a town felt that they ate in a

1873
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:45,200
restaurant which when they went back the

1874
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,559
next day had been shuttered for two

1875
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:48,000
decades

1876
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:49,520
and everyone said that's exactly where

1877
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,000
we were and if you read this terry

1878
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,240
lovelace ask him about this in his a

1879
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,760
sequel book

1880
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,240
uh devil's den the reckoning

1881
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,920
where he collected 30 of the best

1882
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,839
stories that were sent to him after the

1883
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:03,039
publication of his first book he has

1884
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,839
some time slip type stories in there

1885
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:08,160
and what a time slip is for people that

1886
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:09,760
are not really familiar with it it's

1887
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,559
where you're in a location and all of a

1888
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,720
sudden it changes into something could

1889
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:17,200
be in the past is very common

1890
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,720
these have happened in london and other

1891
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,240
places where you're all sudden on a

1892
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,599
street that shouldn't exist anymore it's

1893
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,000
lit with gas lights the stores have all

1894
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,520
different names

1895
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:27,039
and um

1896
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,640
it just changes into a different place

1897
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:30,240
sometimes it happens to groups of people

1898
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,520
together

1899
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,359
and then they all come back

1900
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:35,119
most of the time they come back if they

1901
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:36,319
don't come back i guess we don't see

1902
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,359
them again

1903
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,640
i've talked to people who've had it

1904
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,839
happen right here in boulder where

1905
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,960
they're walking down the street and all

1906
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,559
sudden they're horse-drawn carriages

1907
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:44,720
they're looking at barns and a gravel

1908
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,960
dusty road then they come back

1909
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,079
um

1910
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:49,920
there was a time slip conference i

1911
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,319
participated in a couple years ago

1912
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,760
where preston dennett was one of the

1913
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,599
presenters i listened to his time slip

1914
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,440
stories of people who have encountered

1915
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,440
ufos where they've been taken back to

1916
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,359
their past or seen things that they

1917
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:03,200
didn't exist anymore

1918
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:06,720
so um the time slip phenomena

1919
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,000
phenomenon is really i think uh quite an

1920
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:12,160
interesting feature of this now

1921
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,760
when you talk to people who've been

1922
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,400
around ufos and cryptids this is also

1923
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,039
part of their experience sometimes

1924
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,119
where they feel like they've changed

1925
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:23,520
space or time suddenly and then they're

1926
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,319
back

1927
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,520
where they are to me that suggests that

1928
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:28,400
again

1929
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,280
some connection here right

1930
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,720
i don't want to be too rigid about it

1931
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,400
explain it all the way you know a

1932
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:36,480
unified theory of all this i don't have

1933
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,760
that but

1934
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,880
um

1935
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,640
there's obviously a connection or you

1936
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,400
wouldn't have it happening when people

1937
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,319
are taking a board a craft and they're

1938
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,440
taking into another time on earth

1939
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,039
they're shown the future or they're

1940
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,039
taken back to their past they see the

1941
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,599
cars of their friends real you know real

1942
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,440
specific details that could be verified

1943
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,599
later that that couldn't be faked

1944
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
they know things about friends that the

1945
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:01,680
friends never told anyone about

1946
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,480
so

1947
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,319
does that suggest to us again this is

1948
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,559
just one possibility that these parallel

1949
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,480
realities are all stacked up next to

1950
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,960
each other and what we call the past and

1951
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,160
the future

1952
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,160
is different places in this matrix i

1953
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,159
mean that's the way ingo swan thought

1954
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,520
about it that's why he called it the

1955
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,839
matrix and we've had that movie that

1956
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:21,759
comes out of that idea

1957
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,560
that

1958
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,080
what we call time are different

1959
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,560
frequencies and that perhaps

1960
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,719
when you reach a certain state

1961
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,920
or other

1962
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,440
entities have figured out how to do this

1963
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,000
you can move along that space-time

1964
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,759
continuum

1965
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,759
so that you've moved into what we call

1966
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:39,199
the past or the future something like

1967
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,920
that

1968
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,600
i think in the last in the last year or

1969
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,679
so hearing that in relation to the

1970
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:45,679
abduction experience for me makes a lot

1971
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,839
of sense that people would ask why

1972
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,080
why would your grandfather and then your

1973
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,759
father and then you and then your

1974
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,000
children have that have tabs kept on you

1975
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,960
by an alien species over 100 years you

1976
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,560
know that's a long time but maybe for

1977
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,480
them it's half an hour that they can

1978
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,560
check your grandfather your father then

1979
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,080
you then your kids

1980
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,920
in the space of what is a very very

1981
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,359
short period of time but they're just

1982
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,600
jumping forward as they go along and

1983
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,799
they're able to keep tabs on the

1984
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,719
genetics so that that same length of

1985
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:15,040
time isn't the same for them as us right

1986
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:16,080
and let you know you just reminded me

1987
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,279
something i'd like to mention that

1988
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,880
people have had those space time slips

1989
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,880
around crop circles

1990
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:22,560
i mentioned the case of ron russell

1991
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,279
being in one of them in a furry in 94 it

1992
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,199
was kind of this scorpion i think

1993
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,279
scorpion formation

1994
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,199
kind of scorpion eating its own tail it

1995
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:32,799
kind of looked like that i think i have

1996
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,920
the picture yeah the picture's in the

1997
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,759
book and uh

1998
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,600
ron has told me this story many times

1999
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,440
and i just spoke to someone i happened

2000
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,000
to run into from this area yesterday who

2001
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,000
was there at the time

2002
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,560
and she confirmed it uh that ron had

2003
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,719
gone out to his car to get more film or

2004
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,239
something like that

2005
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,400
and he he encounters people who are

2006
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,239
speaking an old dialect of english

2007
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,480
dressed in medieval clothing who seem a

2008
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,320
lot shorter than we are

2009
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:00,719
in the wheat as he's going out to his

2010
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,120
car he comes back and feels like he's

2011
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,600
been gone for maybe half an hour or

2012
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,679
minimum hour max

2013
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:08,880
and the people back in the circle say

2014
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,080
you were gone for less than five minutes

2015
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,960
something about the shape the helical

2016
01:10:19,390 --> 01:10:16,400
pattern

2017
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:19,400
of the crop circle is changing the

2018
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:21,679
electromagnetic structure and again this

2019
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,560
is in

2020
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,000
the soviet

2021
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:26,800
uh research and even research from

2022
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,520
stanford linear accelerator center i

2023
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,960
believe slack

2024
01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:33,120
a freiberg or david freiberger

2025
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,000
uh about how

2026
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,719
electromagnetic fields can have

2027
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,880
different arrangements

2028
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:41,040
they call it dialytic rotation but it

2029
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,400
changes the structure of space time

2030
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,840
exactly what hal put off is talking

2031
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,000
about if we were experiencing that would

2032
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,440
we experience one of these space-time

2033
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,840
slips it's a really uh

2034
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,120
good question

2035
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,600
it's really interesting yeah right

2036
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,080
question from frederick frederick asks

2037
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,080
what does simeon think of bigfoot

2038
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:00,239
encounters mentioning psychic powers

2039
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,440
such as les strouds and also separately

2040
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:05,600
what about genetic manipulations could

2041
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:09,920
humans or bigfoot be the product of such

2042
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,880
great questions really great now

2043
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,040
i'm really glad he brought this up uh

2044
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,760
who was it david it was frederick you

2045
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:19,840
know what i i could have totally stolen

2046
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,040
those questions put them into the

2047
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:22,960
interview and claimed them as my own but

2048
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:24,800
those as with many of last night

2049
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,840
questions does that have to be heard

2050
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,960
from the listeners yes no that's

2051
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,640
excellent because les stroud is one of

2052
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:30,239
the things i'm listening to lester out

2053
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,600
he had a show called survivor man

2054
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,120
bigfoot and who for those who don't know

2055
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:34,880
who lester out is

2056
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:39,440
he does survival he's a a former i think

2057
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,880
he did a landscape surveying in canada

2058
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,040
if i'm not mistaken and he

2059
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,719
did all these shows on survive loves

2060
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,480
being outdoors he loves teaching people

2061
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,560
how to survive and how to set up tarps

2062
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,480
and how to eat there it's great stuff

2063
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,760
right it's really a lot of fun going

2064
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,440
back out to nature can you survive out

2065
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:57,760
there with very little of man-made

2066
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,719
things

2067
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,440
well he encountered hoops and howls and

2068
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:02,960
trees falling over that shouldn't be

2069
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:05,840
falling over during recording that

2070
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,840
of

2071
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:09,120
survivorman and he even went back and

2072
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,880
showed us some of the footage where he's

2073
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,960
out in the water and he says he hears

2074
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,880
ape-like sounds coming from the woods

2075
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:16,000
you can see him looking on the camera he

2076
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,280
said that's how he got interested in the

2077
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,600
bigfoot dub so he did survivorman

2078
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:22,080
bigfoot and he experienced some of this

2079
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,520
telepathy

2080
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,679
which the listener is bringing up now

2081
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:28,000
let he experienced this around portland

2082
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:29,679
even to the extent where he went to see

2083
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:32,239
a psychologist later on to see if he was

2084
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,440
cracking up

2085
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:36,800
hearing voices talking in your head well

2086
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,760
it turns out that this is an experience

2087
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,239
that bigfoot witnesses

2088
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,400
say they have

2089
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,000
obviously they don't talk about this to

2090
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:47,600
many people just like les stroud

2091
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,280
probably wanted to see a shrink before

2092
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:51,840
he started talking about this

2093
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:54,960
they hear bigfoot talking in their heads

2094
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:00,709
you listen to wes germer's sasquatch

2095
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,280
chronicles these over 800 episodes now

2096
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:05,920
but many of them are free you can listen

2097
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,679
on youtube and you can be a member and

2098
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,960
listen to some of them that are not up

2099
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,080
on youtube

2100
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,679
or on his site that are open to the

2101
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,000
public but you hear people talking about

2102
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,040
this episode 841 is an example

2103
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,960
the woman and she's not the i've read

2104
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:21,199
about this so many times before the

2105
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,239
people encounter the sasquatch and they

2106
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:25,920
have lots of different names you know

2107
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,679
based on where you are on the planet

2108
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,360
here we call them bigfoot because of

2109
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,600
someone who gave it that name in 1958

2110
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,360
called them big but the big prince out

2111
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,040
at bluff creek

2112
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,800
but um

2113
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,000
people hear this before the physical

2114
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,840
encounter so andy

2115
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,560
you know dan was in my rv class a couple

2116
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:47,120
of months ago it was yeah yeah and we

2117
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,640
had a great time with that group it was

2118
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,040
really a great class so i'm wondering is

2119
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,920
this a type of rv it's like a bigfoot a

2120
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,920
natural rver

2121
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,120
because

2122
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,280
they're the communication and it happens

2123
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,280
to different types of people to children

2124
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,360
they hear the bigfoot encouraging them

2125
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:05,280
to come outside of the house and when

2126
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,640
they tell the adults they say you're

2127
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,159
here they're talking through the walls

2128
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:09,760
which happens to

2129
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,840
uh no they said no i can hear them in my

2130
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,400
head that's exactly what les stroud said

2131
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,679
you were asking earlier on about the

2132
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,440
evidence the anecdotal evidence when it

2133
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:19,360
all stacks up you know these little kids

2134
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,719
have never talked to les strout and

2135
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,400
they're saying the same thing

2136
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:24,560
uh you hear this from hikers and all

2137
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:26,239
sorts of different people that they

2138
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,440
heard this

2139
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:29,040
voice in their head now sometimes it

2140
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,120
sounds kind of mechanical

2141
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:33,520
they say almost computer-like

2142
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:36,800
is it being translated by your mind into

2143
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,679
english or do the bigfoot speak english

2144
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,000
which we're told that they can do a

2145
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,640
reasonable job of doing mimicry in the

2146
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,480
forest to convince you

2147
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:49,120
that they are one of your relatives or

2148
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:50,800
your dog out there they're very good at

2149
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:53,360
imitating any animal or human

2150
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,640
type speech

2151
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,199
uh we've heard their talk by the way

2152
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,360
from ron moorhead who recorded it in the

2153
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,040
70s in the high sierras it's called the

2154
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,520
sierra sounds anyone watching right now

2155
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:05,199
just search for sierra sounds you will

2156
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:08,239
hear what the bigfoot sound like

2157
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,760
talking back and forth to ron in his

2158
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,199
hunting structure which he had set up

2159
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,880
with a bunch of folks up in the national

2160
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:16,159
forest area

2161
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,120
um

2162
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,640
or talking to each other which some

2163
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:20,640
people call reverse samurai

2164
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:24,080
it's a type of very fast language

2165
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,040
um

2166
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,280
the woman i dedicated the book to claire

2167
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,880
who had a very

2168
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,640
kind of

2169
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,360
violent encounter with some of them

2170
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:35,840
at the sea otter reserve near carmel

2171
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,320
heights south of the town of carmel in

2172
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,000
california a british woman just happened

2173
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,080
to be their translator for a business

2174
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,320
meeting goes out to take pictures of the

2175
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,400
coast and the creatures come out and

2176
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,560
they see her when her camera lens drops

2177
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,719
or something which often happens

2178
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,440
and the male got very angry the female

2179
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,960
bigfoot were trying to calm the male

2180
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,800
down but all she knows is she ended up

2181
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,320
back in her car

2182
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:00,800
uh it charged her and she passed out

2183
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,040
uh yelled and it did things that other

2184
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,120
people see it hit the ground these are

2185
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,120
very common things that these bigfoot do

2186
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,600
to maybe it's a type of territorialism

2187
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,920
she described that speech back and forth

2188
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,159
back and forth really rapid no one's

2189
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,640
decoded it even scott nelson the crypto

2190
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,480
linguist from the navy who worked with

2191
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,679
ron moorhead

2192
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,440
people have wanted to know it we know

2193
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,600
it's a language but we can't

2194
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,159
nobody knows what exactly they're saying

2195
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,840
but they don't just speak their own

2196
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,679
language they're apparently very good at

2197
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:30,960
mimicking

2198
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,199
human languages whatever country they're

2199
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,679
in uh passable

2200
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,440
but they also have this telepathic

2201
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,880
ability and that's what the listeners

2202
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:40,719
asking about so they do have this

2203
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,360
ability to project their thoughts or

2204
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,800
something something like that i can't

2205
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:46,320
totally explain it guys

2206
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,600
into your mind so and uh

2207
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,760
people say they often

2208
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,640
uh

2209
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,640
what they hear saying is they want the

2210
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,159
humans to come out of their trailer or

2211
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:58,239
their home and come out and meet

2212
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,800
for a meeting whatever that would be

2213
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,880
you can do that if you want i mean i

2214
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,840
don't know what i would do in that

2215
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,760
situation it's a very persistent type of

2216
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,840
thought that shows up in your mind

2217
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,840
and it's even a type of language and

2218
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,679
they say other things too and sometimes

2219
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,120
it's just

2220
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:17,199
i'm no threat to you type of

2221
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,719
uh

2222
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:20,400
a variety of things so what is that it's

2223
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:21,679
a type of

2224
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:26,080
type of resonance where they're maybe so

2225
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:27,679
guess it gets into the second question

2226
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:28,719
here

2227
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:29,920
and again folks i don't have all the

2228
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:32,239
answers i have a lot of questions and

2229
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:33,120
um

2230
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,880
there do soon to be commonalities

2231
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,480
between these phenomena

2232
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:39,199
so are we that closely related to them

2233
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:40,960
that we have

2234
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:46,159
other people in our lives family members

2235
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,600
and stuff where you sort of feel like

2236
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,800
you get

2237
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,480
uh thought transference just because

2238
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,560
you're on the same wavelength as a

2239
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,480
partner or a family member or a friend

2240
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:56,000
it kind of gets feeling maybe they call

2241
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:57,679
you know it's them before you pick up

2242
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,679
the phone that type of experience so are

2243
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,159
we that closely related are we part of

2244
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,159
the same tree of life

2245
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,920
and they

2246
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,400
are just a different branch or were we

2247
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,239
genetically modified by

2248
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,199
extraterrestrials or somebody

2249
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,360
so that we're we don't have those

2250
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,280
abilities anymore

2251
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,280
i mean again this is going into

2252
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,600
speculation we've all read stories and

2253
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,920
books about the history of the human

2254
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,760
species and where we

2255
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,199
you know manipulated by

2256
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,440
extraterrestrials to become gold miners

2257
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:31,760
in the past you know zachariah sitchin

2258
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,800
and all that

2259
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:34,880
i don't have the answer to it but we're

2260
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,679
similar enough to them that

2261
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,600
uh we obviously don't have the amount of

2262
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:41,440
hair they have we don't have the

2263
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,520
muscular development people who see them

2264
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:45,040
say it's like looking

2265
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,000
at a cross between arnold schwarzenegger

2266
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,280
and andre the giant or an nfl linebacker

2267
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,960
infer i mean there people describe them

2268
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,040
like being like bodybuilders not super

2269
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,280
extreme bodybuilders that take steroids

2270
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,280
but you know really

2271
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,400
really chunky as wide as a barn door

2272
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,920
so we're different from them in many

2273
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:05,600
ways but we're similar enough that we're

2274
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,040
obviously from go far enough back were

2275
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,199
related to them so it's a really good

2276
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,679
question were we modified in some way

2277
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,960
you know

2278
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,280
andy do they have abilities that we had

2279
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,880
at some point that were genetically

2280
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,719
modified out of us

2281
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,960
so that we're not naturally telepathic

2282
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:25,040
or we have to take classes to remember

2283
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,719
how to do that yeah it's a really good

2284
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,560
question and i i don't i'm not certain

2285
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,600
of the answer

2286
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,360
as you say i think that the upbringing

2287
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:33,440
we have especially in the western world

2288
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:36,159
through school and just our society you

2289
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,080
lose a lot of what you have as a kid in

2290
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,000
that innocence and do kids see other

2291
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,560
things and can kids see spirits and you

2292
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,760
know who they play with you see these

2293
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:46,080
videos online of of usually babies

2294
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:47,440
sitting playing with something that's

2295
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:49,920
not even there but so it does does that

2296
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,159
just go as you kind of pass on through

2297
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,239
childhood and into puberty and adulthood

2298
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,320
and like you say is it something that

2299
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,239
you re-learn when you're older if you go

2300
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,640
to a class like yours or you know you

2301
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,320
read the right books or

2302
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,640
i i mention in in dark matter monsters

2303
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,280
seeing this pk demonstration in japan i

2304
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,360
went there a number of times to teach rv

2305
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:11,679
for a publishing company and one of the

2306
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,520
students in the class a surgeon said you

2307
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:16,080
have to see this pk practitioner

2308
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:19,679
uh not far from nagasaki

2309
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,679
and uh we went i went there twice over

2310
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,760
two different visits and this guy could

2311
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,920
really do pk we've seen demonstrations

2312
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,400
of it we know it's real i mentioned in

2313
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:30,080
the book this

2314
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,440
case where i heard from someone who had

2315
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:33,520
worked in the defense department of the

2316
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,760
u.s monitoring soviet pk experiments

2317
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:37,120
back in the 70s

2318
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,280
and knowing for a fact that it was real

2319
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,920
well i've seen demonstrations of this

2320
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,760
bottles being twisted

2321
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:46,000
you know glass you know obviously metal

2322
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:47,199
objects being twisted but things

2323
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,560
levitating

2324
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,920
uh things

2325
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,000
floating in the air that ended up in my

2326
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,840
shirt pocket a cigarette in one case

2327
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,920
there's no way you know i'm thinking i'm

2328
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,440
seeing this thing floating a cigarette

2329
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,199
above this practitioner's palm thinking

2330
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:01,040
is it a string you know i i've got a

2331
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,159
mind like other people i'm slightly

2332
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,159
skeptical is it trick is there my well

2333
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,080
this the cigarette comes 15 feet across

2334
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,400
the room into my pocket first try boom

2335
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,239
with force

2336
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:12,080
it was the real thing and then i know

2337
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:15,600
that sony had gone to uh one of the ceos

2338
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,880
of sony was interested in psychic

2339
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:18,560
phenomena he had filmed this guy with

2340
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,280
their fastest 10 000 a frame

2341
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,440
second camera i'm told by the person

2342
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,760
that was there at the time who took my

2343
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,840
rv class he said there were no strings

2344
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,199
there were no tricks

2345
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,880
that they could detect even breaking

2346
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,440
each second down into 10 000 frames they

2347
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,920
saw no signs of trigger well does

2348
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,600
bigfoot do this do they naturally know

2349
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,679
how to do pk because people have

2350
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,920
reported around them the russian

2351
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,840
researcher igor bortsev who i

2352
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:45,280
corresponded with and i talked to him

2353
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,960
one of the conferences he said

2354
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,040
when these creatures would come around

2355
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:51,360
their research van in

2356
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:54,840
russia former soviet union

2357
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,800
um things would start floating around

2358
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:01,120
is that intentional or is that again a

2359
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:02,719
space-time

2360
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:03,840
sort of

2361
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:06,400
effect a type of gravitational collapse

2362
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,639
by gravitational collapse i mean gravity

2363
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,239
ceasing to exist the way we know it

2364
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:12,080
things staying down

2365
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:15,280
uh alexander parkemov in his book

2366
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,400
space earth human reported

2367
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,560
these sort of phenomena happening in the

2368
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,199
soviet union occasionally where gravity

2369
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,360
would cease to exist for a few seconds

2370
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,360
and people would hit the tops of their

2371
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,120
apartments things would float and he

2372
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:31,920
attributed it to small black holes

2373
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,159
coming into the earth's atmosphere it's

2374
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,560
just one possibility so

2375
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,480
do these creatures know how to modulate

2376
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,400
that in some way create gravitational

2377
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,040
collapse do are they natural pk masters

2378
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,960
it's a reasonable question

2379
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,960
absolutely interesting that as well like

2380
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,960
you say some of these even going back to

2381
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,560
talking about those those injuries

2382
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,560
before one of the debates someone was

2383
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,880
having online and questioned myself for

2384
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,560
michael masters on twitter today they

2385
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,560
were asking you know if these are future

2386
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,719
humans why are they coming back and

2387
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,480
harming us with technology they know

2388
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,560
would harm us with radiation and burns

2389
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,560
and cancers and well maybe it's not

2390
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,400
deliberate maybe it's a consequence of

2391
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,880
the technology and it's you know just

2392
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,960
like nuclear material sitting on its own

2393
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,880
isn't trying to harm anyone

2394
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:16,880
if you get close enough to it a

2395
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,199
consequence of that kind of proximity as

2396
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:21,679
you may get radiation poisoning sickness

2397
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,159
burns cancer it just happens and it's

2398
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,159
not deliberately trying to harmful harm

2399
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:28,239
you but it is harmful to you so yeah

2400
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,360
like you say maybe it's just a

2401
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,520
consequence of that proximity it's what

2402
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,520
gary nolan pointed out in his interview

2403
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,960
with

2404
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,120
tucker carlson yep it could be just a

2405
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,719
consequence of the technology they're

2406
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,960
using unintentional you know

2407
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,400
and final question from catherine

2408
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,000
catherine had about five questions and

2409
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,400
one very quick paragraph and quite a few

2410
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,239
of them you've answered already but she

2411
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,800
says hey simeon uh

2412
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,040
what's with bigfoot's purported ability

2413
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:55,199
to rapidly disappear do you think

2414
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,199
they're able to travel through portals

2415
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,520
or potentially dematerialize

2416
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,760
excellent question now even last weekend

2417
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,600
where i attended this bigfoot adventure

2418
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,840
weekend in bayley colorado and i'm

2419
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,360
really glad we're doing this interview

2420
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,840
now afterwards you know the people

2421
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,600
talked about this experience people

2422
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,280
who've seen it

2423
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,840
and we heard stories reports of this

2424
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:17,760
similar

2425
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,639
types of phenomena

2426
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,040
i mean one story i heard

2427
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:25,120
from one of the

2428
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,320
weekend organizers jim myers said

2429
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:30,159
of the sasquatch outpost which is sort

2430
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:31,280
of what was my introduction to this

2431
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,639
whole topic a number of years ago when i

2432
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,880
went to the museum in berlin

2433
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,560
he mentioned a

2434
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,199
group of hunters from pennsylvania

2435
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:41,120
hearing something coming towards and

2436
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,400
they told us to them in the store when

2437
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,880
they we never told this to anyone but

2438
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,880
something coming at them louder and

2439
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,719
louder they have firearms with

2440
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:51,120
flashlights attached you know to their

2441
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,639
firearms

2442
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,400
they at some point they all raise their

2443
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,239
firearms with the flashlight with the

2444
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:57,760
intention of seeing what's running at

2445
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:58,800
them because they're getting really

2446
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,080
scared and there's nothing there but a

2447
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:02,239
blue mist

2448
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:03,360
other people

2449
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,040
report just what the listener is saying

2450
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:09,920
it's literally there one second and it's

2451
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,960
poof

2452
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,880
it's gone i remember hearing about a

2453
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,199
case like this from igor bortz of at the

2454
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,280
conference a couple years ago in bailey

2455
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,159
uh 2021 just last year

2456
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,199
and he talked about a case in a garden

2457
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,400
somewhere in russia this woman sees

2458
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,400
a bigfoot walking towards her and then

2459
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,239
she seems like a curtain of light came

2460
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,480
down and it was just gone and this has

2461
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:34,320
been reported a number of times

2462
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,639
sometimes people hear them walking

2463
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,360
around them in the woods or pacing them

2464
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,480
on the side

2465
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,000
perfectly as they take a step they hear

2466
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,719
crunching sticks and leaves and it stops

2467
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,560
but there's nothing there they can see

2468
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,080
but they can see the ground getting

2469
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,920
pressed down so again

2470
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,280
this is

2471
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,239
exactly what lockheed martin talks about

2472
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,840
in their patent for coherent matter

2473
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,159
waves is invisibility and cloaking so

2474
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:59,840
i'm just wondering

2475
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,159
i think again it's kind of a reasonable

2476
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,080
connection to make

2477
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:06,800
is this a feature of coherent matter do

2478
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,719
the bigfoot know how to work with this

2479
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,560
state of matter i call it in the book

2480
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,159
the fifth state of matter

2481
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,800
yeah so that they can do exactly what

2482
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,880
our defense contractors are attempting

2483
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,719
to patent and taking them a while to get

2484
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:22,960
approval from the patent office cloaking

2485
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,520
invisibility is it the same

2486
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,040
based on the same principles or is it in

2487
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,600
something entirely different but it does

2488
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,199
seem to be a feature which is again

2489
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:33,040
another thing that makes it hard to talk

2490
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,719
about and even to get funding at the

2491
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,280
defense department if you're an assaf to

2492
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:39,199
talk about things that can be their one

2493
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,480
moment

2494
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,320
the dino beaver

2495
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,639
yeah you and dan have laughed about the

2496
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,120
dino beaver many times on this podcast

2497
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,280
that any folks have yet yeah you know

2498
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,600
this creature that looks like a pig but

2499
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,440
it's the size of a

2500
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:56,400
beaver but you know with the stegosaurus

2501
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:57,280
um

2502
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,400
you know

2503
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,159
plates on its back

2504
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,199
um

2505
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,960
a huge beaver and they go around the

2506
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,320
side of two of the analysts go around

2507
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,080
side of the building nothing there

2508
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:08,000
people have reported this around bigfoot

2509
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,520
i heard more reports about this um even

2510
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,120
recently in other parts of the country

2511
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,719
where people had talked to loggers i

2512
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,159
talked to a nurse

2513
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:18,159
that had known many talked to many

2514
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:19,760
loggers from who had been doing this

2515
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,880
their whole lives

2516
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,719
and they said you'll never believe this

2517
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,400
and i've never told anyone this but

2518
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,159
sometimes we see them come out behind a

2519
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:28,080
tree look at us

2520
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,920
they go back behind the tree when we go

2521
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,679
there they're not there

2522
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,120
so is this

2523
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,920
again type of life form that can morph

2524
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:37,679
that can cloak

2525
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:40,480
are they there but are now invisible

2526
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:43,520
the other thing uh andy that's come up

2527
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,800
is that they can use they can appear

2528
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,480
like saran wrap

2529
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,760
which is you see a shimmer

2530
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,440
uh

2531
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,520
it's kind of causing a shimmering effect

2532
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,120
like you see something's there between

2533
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,679
you and what's farther away and it can

2534
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:01,600
turn into a bigfoot people have reported

2535
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,239
that or vice versa

2536
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:06,639
it's really fascinating and again

2537
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,560
it's one of the features of coherent

2538
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,320
matter is to be able to change so that

2539
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:12,960
light just passes through it

2540
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,199
we we know about metamaterials which are

2541
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:17,600
materials that modify the wavelength of

2542
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,480
light

2543
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:19,760
because they're smaller than the

2544
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,280
wavelength of light you know at a

2545
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:23,520
crystalline level atomic level

2546
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,880
but is this the same thing or is this

2547
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:26,159
something entirely different it's just a

2548
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,199
really good question something that i

2549
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,880
think about a lot

2550
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:31,040
um simeon i'm glad the listeners covered

2551
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,199
such a breadth of topics on their

2552
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:35,199
questions because i've barely scratched

2553
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,639
the surface of the book there's there's

2554
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,639
14 chapters there's a whole lot of

2555
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,800
references in there and thank you for

2556
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:42,080
for myself and dan for the

2557
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,440
acknowledgement at the start as well

2558
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,280
that was that was a nice surprise to

2559
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,280
read uh that was very nice andy none of

2560
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,159
us can do this alone we all rely on each

2561
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:52,639
other to expand our sphere of

2562
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:55,600
understanding right and for instance on

2563
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,560
your show here i hear new things and new

2564
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,199
ideas from people like john ramirez all

2565
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:04,080
the other guests you've had

2566
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,000
and other podcasts as well

2567
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:08,800
that give me information valuable

2568
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,840
information that i wouldn't hear

2569
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,280
anywhere else so we're none of us are in

2570
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:13,360
a vacuum here we're all working together

2571
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,520
and each of us is kind of working on our

2572
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,679
own way i'm really happy to say this

2573
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:18,480
book

2574
01:29:21,149 --> 01:29:19,679
has been

2575
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,159
number one in the category of

2576
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,120
electromagnetism for several days in the

2577
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,880
running i mean the entire physics

2578
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,520
category of electromagnetism

2579
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,080
which is astounding to have a book about

2580
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,480
these topics in electromagnetism which

2581
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,880
means that people outside our

2582
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,639
field that you know

2583
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,560
other people are seeing this now at the

2584
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,239
top of the list and they're wondering

2585
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,880
why is bigfoot in electromagnet

2586
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:44,800
magnetism and they must be furious some

2587
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:46,560
of them but look it's

2588
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:49,199
these topics have an electromagnetic

2589
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,320
component

2590
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:52,880
and it's uh just part and parcel of the

2591
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,040
whole territory and it deserves to be i

2592
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,800
think it deserves to be looked at more

2593
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,560
closely

2594
01:30:01,350 --> 01:30:00,320
by regular scientists instead of pushing

2595
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:01,360
it away and this is what we've been

2596
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:02,320
saying the whole show and what you're

2597
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,760
always saying on this podcast it's time

2598
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,760
for the stigma to be removed from these

2599
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:07,280
topics let's take a look at what's going

2600
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:08,159
on

2601
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:10,159
absolutely what do you want people's

2602
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:12,159
takeaway to be from this book is there

2603
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,520
one thing at the end of it you want

2604
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:15,440
everyone to go do you know what

2605
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,560
this is something i'm now going to

2606
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,560
consider

2607
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:20,159
yeah that's a very good question andy i

2608
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,000
think what i'd like people to do is

2609
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:23,920
realize they've had experiences with

2610
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,199
these phenomena

2611
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:27,199
that they may have forgotten about

2612
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,639
or just

2613
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,000
explained away

2614
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:32,159
often bigfoot witnesses you've talked to

2615
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:32,880
them

2616
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,480
and they said you know i thought those

2617
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:36,960
little tree structures were boy scouts

2618
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:39,520
in the forest near my home or vacation

2619
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,880
cottage out there but i never saw any

2620
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:42,400
boy scouts but i thought that was making

2621
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:44,239
the trees or those growling sounds at

2622
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:45,600
night were bears

2623
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,400
or those weird smells it was a skunk

2624
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:50,400
or whatever experience you've had i

2625
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,840
think what people need to do is take

2626
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,840
their experiences more seriously instead

2627
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:56,400
of doubting them and worrying about

2628
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:59,199
you know ridicule being laughed at by

2629
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,360
neighbors and friends we all encounter

2630
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,920
that from time to time kind of push back

2631
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,000
against these topics

2632
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:08,159
but i think the takeaway message would

2633
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:09,760
be you might have had experience with

2634
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:10,719
these

2635
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:13,520
phenomena and not known about it

2636
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:16,639
and secondly we don't know as much as we

2637
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:17,840
think we do

2638
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:19,920
it's to really have a healthy sense of

2639
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,159
curiosity

2640
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:24,560
doubt about our existing paradigm and

2641
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:27,199
curiosity towards what we don't know yet

2642
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:29,120
and to kind of be humbled a little bit

2643
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,639
and i think that's the effect of

2644
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:33,199
studying these topics myself on

2645
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:34,320
on me

2646
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:36,639
is to realize even if you think you know

2647
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,840
so much and you've been going to

2648
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:39,840
conferences and studying this

2649
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,920
you might only know a tiny percentage of

2650
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:44,159
the bigger story and i think that's kind

2651
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,440
of exciting isn't it that there's so

2652
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:46,960
much more for us to discover and that's

2653
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,480
really what it's all about

2654
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:50,400
absolutely and people can discover you

2655
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,760
and your work at various different

2656
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,440
places i'll put all the links in the

2657
01:31:57,669 --> 01:31:55,679
description to this podcast but i i

2658
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:57,679
would encourage folks one way to quash

2659
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:58,400
that

2660
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:00,400
curiosity is pick up a copy of dark

2661
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:02,400
matter monsters cryptids ball lightning

2662
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:04,239
and the science of secret life forms

2663
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:06,080
it's available on amazon of course in

2664
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,760
various formats but again if you can

2665
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,600
support your local book sellers or local

2666
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,600
bookstores then then please do that as

2667
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:13,280
well but the main thing is pick up a

2668
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:15,360
copy listen to it read it kindle it

2669
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:17,280
whatever you do and but let me know what

2670
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:18,800
your thoughts are simeon it's always a

2671
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:20,159
pleasure speaking to you and i look

2672
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:21,360
forward to having you back on in the

2673
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:23,360
near future thanks andy we'll talk again

2674
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:25,920
soon that is all for this week's show

2675
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,080
thank you very much for listening please

2676
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,320
remember to leave the podcast review on

2677
01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:32,800
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2678
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:35,120
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2679
01:32:39,189 --> 01:32:37,040
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2680
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:39,199
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2681
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,719
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2682
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,199
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2683
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:45,920
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2684
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:48,159
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2685
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:50,960
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2686
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:54,159
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2687
01:32:59,340 --> 01:32:56,239
and again folks as always keep looking

2688
01:33:19,750 --> 01:32:59,350
up you never know what you might see

2689
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:26,410
is

2690
01:33:26,420 --> 01:33:35,350
[Music]

2691
01:33:56,149 --> 01:33:36,870
i can't imagine how it could have been

2692
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,430
there was something on my head and

2693
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,120
everything was weird and everything was

2694
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,960
red i helped out my boys they thought

2695
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:02,320
this was noise they thought it was a

2696
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:14,720
[Music]

2697
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:29,940
and what's that

2698
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:34,550
[Music]

2699
01:35:04,950 --> 01:34:58,990
what's that

2700
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,960
[Music]

2701
01:35:13,630 --> 01:35:06,800
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a